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irfanf
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it's Yu Narukami. |
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Divineking
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Great article, and I think you really nailed what makes those two games in particular work so well as they did. I was in my first or second year of high school when I was first introduced to Persona 3 but I fell in love with it immediately thanks to the whole time management concept and Social Links but I never got around to beating it until after I'd played through all of Persona 4 (and fact that I'd been spoiled on the ending didn't help things) . I did however, pick up Persona 4 on launch date and cleared through the whole thing in a few weeks.
I do think that P3's story holds up slightly better but ultimately I lean more towards Persona 4 since as you said, it's the one that nails the formula for writing teenagers better and I felt a bit more invested in the cast as a result. Really can't wait for Persona 5, and even though it has some big shoes to fill now, I'm pretty confident it'll be able to pull it off. |
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yappers4
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I got into Persona around the second half of my first year in college. My first game was Persona 3 Portable. It definitely resonated with me and profoundly impacted my life as I was going through one of my peaks of depression during that time of the year. The characters, situations, and the music of the Persona series is a big influence on my life and in most daily activities. I'm glad to have discovered Persona and I definitely can't wait to play Persona 5.
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MajorZero
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Feels like I just listened lection about LGBT issues, gender studies and superficial use of Jungian psychology.
Also, perhaps Gabriella should play Catherine because sexuality (not to sound like an ass, but it seems to be the topic she's interested the most) and even gender issues far better represented in this game than in Persona. Anyway, Persona is definitely my favorite JRPG series, but not my favorite setting, that goes to Devil Summoner, another SMT spin-off. Last edited by MajorZero on Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:38 am; edited 2 times in total |
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RDespair
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I appreciated the joke in the first sentence (revelations).
In the article, it claimed that the Kanji commentary was outdated, but I think the way they handled it was very well done. I'm sure many a straight male geek has had their "male-ness" questioned because their interests and attitudes did not line up with society's traditional male values & image. One of the strength's of Kanji's scenario is that whether or not Kanji is gay is ambiguous and left up to the player's interpretation, thus ultimately making him a more sympathetic character. Last edited by RDespair on Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:08 am; edited 1 time in total |
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TTTPersona
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I got into Persona when I was a junior in high school. At the time, Persona 4 literally changed my life. I can say for certain that I would be a different person if not for Persona.
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Greed1914
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Persona 4 Golden quickly became my favorite game ever. Even though Metal Gear had been my favorite since 1998, it was quickly dethroned.
I came into the game looking for a good JRPG, but I wasn't expecting one that had such believable characters and made me truly feel like a part of their lives. Heck, I still tear up every time I finish the game because I don't want to be done. Even in my twenties, much of the scheduling aspect of the game is incredibly relevant. We all have things we have to get done, things we would like to get done, and things that just plain get in the way. Having social links grind to a halt because exams were looming is exactly like how it was in law school for me. As much as I wanted to spend time with friends, exams took priority and at best you could arrange a study session. I think Kanji's arc is actually still quite relevant. The fact that they left Kanji's sexuality ambiguous basically makes the players ask themselves, "What difference does it make?" If there is one gripe I have with the P4 as a whole, I would say it is that Atlus hasn't been able to maintain the voice cast. Chie and Teddie were replaced, but at least at a time where re-recording could be done. Naoto was replaced, and Kanji too, although Matt Mercer sounds as close as anybody could hope for. Now, Dancing All Night couldn't be scheduled to record Laura Bailey, and that game essentially revolves around Rise. |
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DigitalScratch
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If I had to choose between P3 or P4, I would say I personally loved P3 more. Its theme of the inevitability of death and an impending doom that you didn't know how to stop just made me appreciate how much the characters had to sacrifice or what they suffered through.
Not that in P4 there wasn't a problem an it's one of my favorite games, but no matter how many times I reply the game I can't help but be a little baffled at how carefree the teens can be sometimes. It's nice that they are because it's fun to watch, but dang guys you're trying to find a murderer don't make it look like a good time. I actually wouldn't associate either Kanji or Naoto with the LGBT community, at least not Japan's. I say they actually deal with the controversial and strict gender standards of Japan. While Kanji's sexuality comes into question, his real problem is that he wants people to accept him as a man with girly interests. Whether he's gay or not is a question, but it shouldn't be the focus. Same thing with Naoto- her crossdressing is part of the issue but not the focus. It's made clear that Naoto is trying to a part of a male dominated field. For a woman to do that in Japan, it's almost laughable. In addition, Naoto grew up enjoying more boyish things which would have led people to question her identity as a girl. So while she may identify as a girl, her chosen career and her interests have made it hard for others to take her seriously as person. But Naoto's biggest issue, and the main focus, was her age- she's an ace detective working for the PD at only 15-16. Despite this, the police don't take her seriously and treat her like a child and not the prodigy that she is. She resented that, and as a result just wanted to grow up as soon as she could. Last edited by DigitalScratch on Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:27 am; edited 3 times in total |
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Lactobacillus yogurti
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There was a Persona panel in Otakon this year, which deeply resonated with me due to the mythological content
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Batknight
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Yeah I'm in complete agreement about Kanji and Naoto not having anything to do with LGBT issues. It's actually pretty frustrating seeing so many people completely misunderstand their characters and what their about. I suppose it's understandable given that most aren't familiar with Japanese culture and how much of an issue gender standards are there. But it can still be rather irritating especially after so many years. |
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NuGaiNM7
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I think, in my opinion, why the Persona franchise is getting so popular (especially amongst the hardcore JRPG fans) is because it was (and still kinda is) the biggest JRPG series out there in a lull of exceptional JRPG games. (Final Fantasy 13 trilogy/the previous version of FF14 sucks, and the last Dragon Quest was a MMO.) With the exception of the Tales series, there is no other big JRPG series out there.
And thanks to the expansion of Persona 4, Persona 4 Golden, coming out on the Playstation Vita, in a time where there were no games coming out of the handheld, meant that new people (myself included) would experience their first ever Persona game. It did so well that close to a million copies were sold world-wide! I will end my post/rant with something to chew on about Persona 5. According to VGCharts, the Persona 3s (original, FES, and Portable) have so around 1.67 million copies world-wide. Persona 4 (original, Golden, Arena, Ultimax & Dancing All Night) has sold around 2.84 million copies globally. Take away the spin-offs and the original and Golden have collectively sold 1.79 million copies. Therefore, one can assume that the sales of Persona 5 will easily sell more than 2 million copies, maybe (hopefully) even close to 3 million! |
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Brand
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Now, I feel old. I played the original Persona around the year 2000. I hadn't even heard of it before I picked it up on a whim. It certainly was a revelation. Different from pretty much any rpg (or even most games) in the way it handle characters and philosophy. I'd say Persona 2:EP is my favorite out of all for me. It was the right time and I was the right age. Here is was RPG about people who were actually supposed to adults. The story hit all the right buttons for me.
I still like Persona 3 & 4 very much I'd still put them in my two 20 games. Somewhere after P2:EP but before the original Persona (even though I have tons of nostalgia for that game it is seriously flawed). I'm glad the the series has really resonated with people. Though once P3 blew up I started to step back from the fandom. I still love the games but after P3 the fandom changed so much. I'm glad people love it so much but it isn't that little chill thing on the corner of the internet anymore. |
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RDespair
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VGChartz makes up figures and should never be trusted for sales info. You should only trust reputable sales tracking agencies (like Media Create for Japanese sales data) or figures given directly by the publisher of the game. Also, SteamSpy appears to be fairly reliable (several developers have confirmed that its figures match their own) although of course, that's only limited to sales on Steam.
In the case of Persona 4 Golden, we know from Atlus themselves that they shipped 700,000 copies worldwide as of the end of 2013. Given how front-loaded video game sales tend to be, it probably hasn't sold much more than that (and most of the sales after that date were probably digital). |
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SaitoHajime101
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I know I went through that attending Jr High and High School in the late 90s, early 00s as I got into Backstreet Boys and N'Sync along with Soap Operas with my step-mother. Most people hide these or label them as "guilty pleasures", but I'm not ashamed anymore that I once was seriously into those things. Persona 4 Golden is the first game for me in the Persona series (got it last year when I got my Vita). It was intriguing and I like how this game went. |
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Triltaison
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Since I never had a PlayStation 1 or 2, my first Persona was the 2009 remake of the first game on the PSP. Although I liked it okay, it just didn't resonate with me. Being close to 23 at the time, I think I was just too old for the issues it brought up. It might be that the franchise should best be tried while still a teenager.
Now, Catherine. That one did resonate, but I was also the right age for it to do so. |
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